Makeitstop ,

This decision so blatantly ignores the constitution, history, tradition, case law, and all available evidence, that I have to question why they even bothered writing such a long decision. They might as well have just said "Fuck it, we say Trump is immune. Eat shit America, we can do whatever we want."

UnderpantsWeevil ,
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thesporkeffect ,

Even discussing this ruling is pointless, because words no longer have legal meaning. Even if he was so inclined, Biden wouldn't be allowed to take advantage of this concept of immunity. We're just making up whatever shit we want and calling it Law.

TokenBoomer OP ,

Pretty much. The reality that this is has always been the case is finally smacking everyone upside the head. If there is no consistent application of the law, laws become meaningless. Might then makes right, and bedlam follows. America has been on a dangerous path for decades, this ruling is the the turn. Conservatives are displaying that they want Trump as dictator, and will do everything in their power to make that happen.

Tugboater203 ,
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I was thinking Pres Biden does all the stuff we seem to want him to, resigns and Pres Harris pardons him.

TokenBoomer OP ,

The “Kansas City Shuffle”

Seraph ,
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Has anyone read the fine print? Are there any limits to this? Why can't Biden just eliminate Trump and claim immunity?

Just like Trump will once elected...

baronvonj ,
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The ruling actually said the president "is entitled to at least *presumptive * immunity from prosecution for all his official acts." Absolute immunity was reserved for "conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority." I'm not defending this ruling, but we don't need to misquote it.

Kidplayer_666 ,

Isn’t that written in the constitution clearly? Isn’t that what Impeachment for, the only way to prosecute a president over his acts during the presidency?

TokenBoomer OP ,

He was impeached but not convicted for this insurrection act. This case is to determine if, now that he is a civilian again, he can be held accountable for the insurrection.

billiam0202 ,

Impeachment is a process for determining wrongdoing, which isn't the same as determining legal guilt.

Or to phrase it differently: there are things you could do that would get you fired from your job, but aren't illegal.

Zaktor ,

Previously, by Justice Department custom, the president was immune from prosecution while in office. That was just an internal stance and didn't make him immune from prosecution indefinitely, just that you can't arrest the president in the Oval Office. It could be seen as a pragmatic stance that we shouldn't tie the president up in court battles while he's supposed to be doing the job of presidenting or that he'd just obviously order his Justice Department not to arrest him so don't try to do irrelevant things.

Now he's immune forever, even after he's no longer in control of the people who would be prosecuting him and he has no critical role to play in society. And it's officially declared by the Supreme Court, not just custom.

Clinicallydepressedpoochie ,

Nope. Impeachment is part of a process to remove a president. Conviction in the senate only results in the president being removed. Crimes are prosecuted in a court of law. Not by a political process.

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