frickineh ,

You know what? Don't vote. You've done basically nothing but agitate for people to hand the election to Trump, and it's obvious you're either too privileged to be hurt by that or too stupid to realize that you will be. I hope that if he wins, you can look at all the people who lose their rights at best and die at worst, and feel really good about taking a stand or whatever in arguably the worst possible election to do that in in decades. I would love for there to be a genuinely progressive candidate with a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but there isn't. A progressive third party candidate (and Jill Stein is not it) is not going to win. That's the reality we live in, and anyone pretending it's not is either a liar, a child, or a moron. I have too much to lose by throwing my vote in the trash, but you do you.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

You know you can be critical of the Dems and still vote for them. Everybody should be critical of all our politicians. Always.

frickineh ,

You can be critical in a productive way, and you aren't. It's post after post of "Joe Biden Bad," without any discussion of how to push for meaningful change that might make for a viable third party or a more progressive Democrat party. There's a reason a ton of people have you blocked. When all you do is criticize, it's only barely better than the obvious shills trying to get the left to vote for spoiler candidates or stay home, except at least they're probably getting paid.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

What can I say that will push Biden Left? He's been shifting to the right. "We gotta get the Haley voters!"

HubertManne ,

its as if someone is voting facists in or maybe just not voting to keep them out. wierd.

disguy_ovahea ,

Between “Democrats say ‘Vote’” and “Democrats do nothing to fight back,” they didn’t vote in 2016.

This Supreme Court is a result of that inaction.

Congratulations on proving abstention hands the government to Republicans.

Let’s not do that any more.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

Abby Martin has something to say about that ..

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C82jgZOyEtU/

disguy_ovahea ,

That’s great. She’s an idealist. How do we abolish the Supreme Court when we can’t even get congressional majority for more than two years every twenty?

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

AOC Says She'll File Articles Of Impeachment Amid SCOTUS 'Corruption Crisis'

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's threat of impeachment comes after the court ruled on Trump's immunity argument.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-impeachment-supreme-court_n_6682dd0fe4b05d5a5eb2d70e

disguy_ovahea ,

I’m all for it. I just have no clue how she expects to win that vote with House minority.

Icalasari ,

Well, if Biden would fucking stop dancing around the point, he could just force this. He has immunity now, after all

disguy_ovahea ,

He doesn’t have sweeping executive powers. He has immunity from prosecution of crime related to official acts.

He can’t force a House vote. He may be able to wrongfully arrest a few Justices and get away with it.

EchoCT ,

We had 8 good years before that and didn't set up any protections.

disguy_ovahea ,

Only Congress can increase the number of Justices on the Supreme Court. We had two years of congressional majority in the last twenty. They focused on healthcare.

Garbanzo ,

They focused on healthcare.

And they gave us Romneycare

thallamabond ,

And even that was a monumental task. One vote away in the Senate, and that one guy got rid of the single payer option for the cost of his vote. Joe Lieberman if you want to look him up, the guy who started no labels political party (without a platform).

FiniteBanjo ,

During the last year of that, Obama was denied the ability to nominate a Supreme Court Justice on an Election Year. Then, Trump got 2 nominees appointed to the SCOTUS, one of which was on an election year.

someguy3 ,

You had the first 2 years of Obama. Obama's thanks for the ACA was voters not showing up and losing the house of representatives for year 3 and 4. And again for year 5 and 6. And then both the house and Senate in years 7 and 8. Congress is what passes laws and has power. They even shut down the freaking government under Obama.

Catoblepas ,

More people (as a percentage of the eligible voting population) voted in 2016 than 2012, and more in 2020 than in 2016.

Finger wagging at people for criticizing the current ruling party (which is sending weapons to a country that is using them to commit genocide) instead of recognizing that we live in an undemocratic system is taking it out on the wrong people. Clinton literally won more votes in the election you're saying people didn't vote hard enough in. It's spitting in the face of everyone whose votes were shat on by the Electoral College to turn around and blame the people who were disenfranchised.

disguy_ovahea ,

I get your point, but only 48% of registered Democrats voted in 2016. 25% were abstention due to dislike of the candidate.

Unfortunately, more Democrats need to vote than Republicans, because of the disproportionate weight of Republican states’ electoral votes.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/06/01/dislike-of-candidates-or-campaign-issues-was-most-common-reason-for-not-voting-in-2016/

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/

Catoblepas ,

I’m not seeing where in those links it says only 48% of registered Democrats voted? If I’m missing it please point it out. The overall turnout was about 60% of eligible voters, so Democrats pulling in less than that and STILL getting more votes would be shocking.

Getting angry at voters for not voting hard enough after turnout increases every election cycle should illustrate that yelling at people to vote harder isn’t a solution, it’s a stopgap. It doesn’t change that it’s an intentionally undemocratic system, and it doesn’t prevent the exact same “the person with less votes wins” result from happening again.

JimSamtanko ,

No one is finger wagging for criticizing. They’re being chastised because they whining to everyone how they’re refusing to vote.

Criticize the fuck out of him. I don’t see anyone giving a shit about that-

FUCKING VOTE ANYWAY.

JimSamtanko ,

Well said, but sadly they are a lot of people here that don’t care. Which is ironic, considering the meme.

AeroLemming ,

Donald Trump lost the popular vote and was illegitimately placed into power by the broken electoral college system.

abracaDavid ,

This Supreme Court is a direct result of Ruth Bader Ginsberg refusing to retire because ???.

Thanks again DNC. Couldn't have done a worse job.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Don't bring up reality.

Blame Republicans for the Democrats forcing the Supreme Court to be used as a voting carrot.

It's all the lefties fault that they didn't vote for corporate overlord Hillary Clinton.

TropicalDingdong ,
TrickDacy ,

Right. Voting third party truly is trying nothing, since we already know it's pissing in the wind.

MindTraveller ,

No you don't understand voting is doing nothing and not voting is a heroic action worthy of Stalin himself

Leate_Wonceslace ,
@Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Not pictured:

  1. Not voting causes fascism to happen faster.

  2. Tankies betraying Anarchists instead of fighting fascism.

Carmakazi ,

"Tankies" are largely accelerationists of a few flavors unified by one desire: watch the United States burn to the ground. You shouldn't take their viewpoint seriously except as adversaries.

volodya_ilich ,

God you guys are as obsessed with tankies as republicans are obsessed with trans people.

First, can you define a tankie? Secondly, can you tell me how many tankies you think live in the US?

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • random
  • politicalmemes@lemmy.world
  • test
  • worldmews
  • mews
  • All magazines