Students walk out of class to stand with Gaza - Yale Daily News ( yaledailynews.com )

At noon on Tuesday, hundreds of students gathered on Cross Campus for a walkout titled “There is No Back To School in Gaza.” Students listed demands of the University, including publicly supporting a ceasefire and boosting support for Palestinian studies and scholars.

FoxBJK ,
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Is either side even interested in a ceasefire at this point?

tsonfeir ,
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You found the problem.

Linkerbaan ,
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There is only one side that is not interested in a ceasefire, and that never has been interested in peace: israel.

This is not a both sides thing. Once you research the conflict it becomes very obvious it's straight up Nazi's wanting to exterminate the Untermensch. It's quite insane that moderates try to portay this conflict as "complicated".

FoxBJK ,
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Are you trying to tell me Hamas is interested in a ceasefire because I couldn’t find anything of the sort, just articles saying the PA does.

And maybe stop throwing around nazi when there’s much more accurate terms.

Linkerbaan ,
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Yes Hamas has been advocating for a hostage swap and ceasefire since day one.

Nazi is the most accurate term for a group that wants to ethnically cleanse another group because they believe they are genetically superior.

FoxBJK ,
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Source please? All I can find is everyone else asking for ceasefires. Having trouble finding anything saying either of the parties actually involved in this war are calling for one. Just everyone else (pretty much on earth at this point).

Linkerbaan ,
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Full hostage swap was always the deal. It was suggested directly. That's why israel shot at hostages being kidnapped with their helicopter. Hannibal doctrine.

First one I could find:

https://jewishjournal.com/israel/363607/hamas-demands-total-prisoner-release-leaving-israel-in-a-catch-22/

If you want to find more search " Hamas prisoner swap" or "demands", and filter date from 7 to 9 Oct 2023.

Hamas demands were directly sent after the attack.

FoxBJK ,
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Thank you for providing a source but since there was an additional ceasefire back in December that didn't pan out I was kinda hoping for something more up-to-date. Your article is 90+ days old. Literally tens of thousands of people have been killed since then.

Linkerbaan ,
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Well yes but that's what I meant with "the demands were set from day1".

So far israel managed to retrieve one single hostage with 100 days of genocide. It's very clear that israel isn't interested in getting the hostages back nor have a ceasefire. They just want to use this opportunity kill Palestinians.

roastedDeflator OP ,
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Is either side even interested in a ceasefire at this point?

Since October 2023, both sides ask for ceasefire under some conditions. Those conditions are not met due to the historical settler colonial background of this conflict.

Some history background is necessary to understand what is happening now in West Asia. I won't get into it but some key points can be found here:
Historical Timeline on the question of Palestine - United Nations

FoxBJK ,
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When I said "at this point" the implication was "since the last one that fell through". It feels like going back in time to October isn't productive because of how much has changed since then. We need to look specifically at why the ceasefire in December didn't work and what it would take to restart that one, assuming it can be.

roastedDeflator OP , (edited )
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It would take for Israel to want their hostages back, instead of wanting to continue the genocide of Palestinians.

Hamas says there must be a permanent ceasefire deal in order for remaining hostages to be released - CNN - January 3rd 2024

Hamas recently issued an ultimatum to Israel that there must be a permanent ceasefire in order for the remaining hostages in Gaza to be released.
(...)
Israel’s rejection of Hamas' initial demand was expected

The following article describes the unwillingness of the Israeli government to prioritise its people, from their point of view.

‘Nothing is moving:’ Families’ anger grows in Israel as hostages mark 100 days in Hamas captivity _ CNN - Sun January 14, 2024

Weinberg, 27, who spoke to CNN in Tel Aviv’s so-called Hostage Square, where the families have gathered for weeks to protest, was angered by the killing of a top Hamas commander in Lebanon earlier this month - widely attributed to Israel. She said some of Israel’s “military action” is “directly endangering the hostages.”

The country’s leadership “must put the release of the hostages at the top of its priority list,” Weinberg said.
part of the problem was that the Israeli government has two aims: the destruction of Hamas and the return of the hostages.
“But there can’t be two aims because sometimes these aims clash - like the elimination of al-Arouri,” said Weinberg, referring to the drone strike that killed Hamas number two Saleh al-Arouri on January 2.

FoxBJK ,
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However, the group has since engaged in negotiations, indicating that Hamas is not entirely wedded to its earlier ultimatum, two sources familiar with the discussions tell CNN.

Kinda leaving out an important part there.

roastedDeflator OP , (edited )
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I went from October 2023 to a timeline of the question of Palestine, and then added 2 recent articles.
Most of these supported by links, in order to try and have a conversation in good faith.

What I get from you is:

Kinda leaving out an important part there.

I am leaving literally most parts out. This is why the links are present.

Do you have some sort of constructive comment to add, or should we leave it here?

FoxBJK ,
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I asked whether or not a ceasefire is feasible at this point in the conflict. Not really looking for an extensive timeline of how we got here. Just whether or not folks protesting in the west are asking for something that's even possible right now. So far it seems the answer is 'no' on the Israeli side and Hamas making an ultimatum for one but negotiating anyways. The longer this goes on, the less likely a ceasefire seems, but we just had one a month ago so I'd love to be wrong.

roastedDeflator OP ,
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A ceasefire is totally feasible, with the right amount of pressure from the international community. Well, the west/colonial states could also help by not arming Israel, recognising that Gaza is the biggest open air prison that ever existed/apartheid, recognising the right to exist of Palestine. The dehumanization of Palestinians doesn't help either. 10000 children dead do not occur in a war, it occurs in a genocide.

Still, even if you are not looking for a timeline, it is not possible to answer your question without taking into consideration how we got here. This is not something that started in October 2023.

Anyways, in case you don't like reading take a look this speech and you'll have you answer:

Gaza Genocide Unmasked By Irish Lawyer's HISTORIC Speech At The ICJ [30:17]

Mrkawfee ,

So glad that there's been a seismic shift in how young people see Israel for the racist and brutal apartheid colonial state that it is. Gives me hope for the future.

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