Afghan girls as young as 16 arrested in shops, classes and markets in Kabul by the Taliban, who labelled them ‘infidels’ for wearing ‘bad hijab’ ( www.theguardian.com )

The girls – who were detained in shopping centres, classes and street markets – were accused of “spreading and encouraging others to wear a bad hijab” and wearing makeup.

A 16-year old said she was arrested by the Taliban along with a number of other girls at her English language class and pulled into a police truck. She said girls who confronted the men and refused to go were beaten, while she was lashed on her feet and legs when trying to reason with them. Her father was later badly beaten for “raising immoral girls”.

lisko ,
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I encourage anyone who cares about this to travel to Afghanistan themselves and see it with their own eyes before relying on what publications like the Guardian have to say about it. One thing about the article that is probably not true is the claim that the girls were labeled "infidels" by the state. Why this claim is suspicious is that there is no word for "infidel" in the languages spoken in Afghanistan. The closest equivalent would be کافر (kafir), which can refer to someone who isn't Muslim, but not wearing hijab is not considered to be any kind of proof that someone is not a Muslim. It's highly doubtful that they were excommunicated for this.

The guardian claims that the government in Afghanistan mandates that women must be covered "from head to toe, revealing only their eyes", which is clearly not true. When I was in Kabul I saw many women without their faces covered. This is one clear case where the Guardian gets facts on the ground wrong. A lot of women there are wearing surgical masks as a form of face covering that also doubles as protection from pollution and disease. As the girl quoted in the article said, they are doing this as a "precaution", in other words, the government doesn't in fact require face covering, but they are doing it anyway because they think they have to.

The article implies that girls were specifically targeted for going to English class, as if they have an issue with learning English. Government officials themselves also go to English classes, so that in and of itself was not a relevant matter to the story.

As for them getting beaten for "confronting the men", of course you are going to get beaten if you resist arrest or argue. That's true in most countries, but particularly in Afghanistan the authorities tend to hit people if they are not compliant.

The other issue is that the rule in Afghanistan is not well developed or consolidated, which means that these men who committed these acts like the beatings and arrests were acting outside the law, and the central government doesn't necessarily support this action. Because of the rudimentary form of government different local elements of the Taliban can act differently or independently, so what the spokesperson quoted in the article said about this being unusual was probably telling the truth. This was only one incident, and hopefully it won't be repeated elsewhere.

p03locke ,

As for them getting beaten for “confronting the men”, of course you are going to get beaten if you resist arrest or argue. That’s true in most countries, but particularly in Afghanistan the authorities tend to hit people if they are not compliant.

Your whole post was already getting into a questionable defense of Afghanistan's bullshit, but then you start defending police brutality and violence against women as something that is "true in most countries"? You've already lost me and probably most of the community here.

Hacksaw ,

You start off strong then move straight to supporting the fucking Taliban, as if that's a reasonable position to take.

I agree, the article is likely highly sensationalized, but let's be clear the Taliban are a piece of shit government with extremely regressive and repressive views. Maybe this shit doesn't happen in Kabul, but Kabul seems bad enough that women can only show their faces and most are even too afraid to do that. That shows you that it's a TERRIBLE place to start with even in the best places. Unfortunately many people don't live in Kabul and it seems that the government isn't going to do anything to stop regional authorities from abusing their power and any young woman they can get their hands on.

Don't travel to Afghanistan. Every dollar that goes to Afghanistan supports religious oppression.

falsem ,

You really defending the Taliban?

prole ,
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Religion is a malignant tumor on humanity

MayonnaiseArch ,
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And for the cunts who think there is an end to this kind of bullshit - a hijab is not enough, it has to be good. After that the shade of black is wrong, or the way these women breathe, or they don't cower in a way these fucking micropenis pig-shit eating cunts like.

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