creation7758 ,

Soon Dave is gonna be an AI and it's everyone else who'll be losing their jobs

altima_neo ,
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But real talk, why are construction sites always like this?

Right now they're doing work on a bridge over here and every day there's either one dude out there doing nothin, or there's a group of dudes scattered about doing nothing, watching one guy work. It's no wonder this projects gonna take 5 years.

pearable ,

A lot of construction is exhausting. You stand around the hole and take turns digging. By the end of the day you're still ready to collapse.

altima_neo ,
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Yeah cuz it's just the one guy digging, instead of everyone

DogPeePoo ,

At Goldman Sachs, everybody pictured would be Vice-President, including Dave.

CableMonster ,

This is how the government and government supported large corporations work. I dont even know how you think this is related to capitalism.

yogthos OP ,
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How a government in a capitalist country works perhaps. Certainly not how the government worked in USSR or how it works in places like Cuba, China, or Vietnam today.

CableMonster ,

America is the least capitalist is has been probably in its history. Just because it was founded on something that was quite capitalistic doesnt mean it still is.

Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

yogthos OP ,
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When you definitely know what capitalism is.

CableMonster ,

And you keep encompassing more things in capitalism than belong. Why not push for less regulations so that small business can thrive?

yogthos OP ,
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I'm doing no such thing. Capitalist competition necessarily leads to monopolies because successful businesses grow and as they grow it takes increasingly more up front investment to compete with them. On top of it they can just undercut small businesses or buy them out. The game of monopoly is a perfect illustration of how capitalism works. Everybody starts on equal footing, and at the end of the game one players owns everything. That's how capital concentration happens in real life under the capitalist dynamics.

Meanwhile, the government represents the interests of the class that holds power in society and passes laws in their interest. Under capitalism it's the capital owning class. These are the people who own the media, pay for election campaigns, lobbying, and so on. And it's not just me saying this. Here's what a study analyzing many decades of US policy concludes:

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/1c59c017-2eb8-41e9-97ec-2f3ae412516e.png

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

CableMonster ,

I dont like monopolies either, but what monopolies are causing you the most harm? Mine would be the governemnt monopoly.

I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

yogthos OP ,
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Government is not a monopoly the government is a management organization that resolves differences between capitalists. Meanwhile, if you can't understand how capitalist monopolies cause harm then you're beyond help. The whole climate crisis is caused by capitalist monopolies, just one example for you.

I think you have fundamental mistake in that you seem to believe that the economy is a zero sum game but its just not how it works. The only zero sum game that I am worried about is the control of our rights with the governmnet.

That literally has nothing to do with what I said which is that the economy works in the interest of the people who own capital, and these are the same people the government represents. You don't even understand what the government is apparently.

What specifically is it that you want peoples lives to look like?

I want people to own the means of production. I want all businesses to be run as a mix of state owned enterprise and worker owned cooperatives. The state enterprise is good at providing common things everyone needs like healthcare, infrastructure, housing, and so on. These are things that need to be done regardless of profit motive. Meanwhile, private sector that's owned by the workers is great at providing all the things where profit motive acts as a motivator. This isn't rocket science.

CableMonster ,

How can I opt out of the government if its not a monopoly? Its literally the only true monopoly and its on our rights and force.

When you talk about all the money doesnt just go to the rich, there is more wealth created and you have the option to accumulate wealth or trade it to others.

Do you understand how what you are advocating for will just make everyone poorer? When you say "Nu-uh", answer this question, for the people that work a lot of hours and work hard, what is the reason to continue to go above and beyond when our labor is being taken and given to others?

AstralPath ,

This thread is a fuckin' ride. Thanks for the laughs.

joyjoy ,

Dave started to realize his worth and get ideas, like asking for a raise, requesting time off, and demanding health insurance.

zephorah ,

Also a bit how working in the office instead of from home looks like.

Imgonnatrythis ,

Shit guys, turns out nothing is getting done without Dave here. I found Stan, but he will only do the job for twice Dave's old salary. Let's change our business model to a subscription service since it seems like everyone enjoys those anyway and give ourselves bonuses and negotiate Stan down to 130 percent of Daves salary!

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