@nicholas_saunders@immibis@israel@palestine I would have preferred Israel keep their arms but not use them to invade. I would have preferred they immediately went into hostage-prisoner swap mode.
Not at the time mind you. I thought the response was reasonable at the time. I am not even Israeli or Jewish.
@immibis@israel@palestine@sqgl yeh, immibis, I get it, you don't have the courage of your convictions to answer such a simple question but feel the need to chime in with answers to questions I certainly never asked of you.
@sqgl@israel@palestine@immibis and history may prove you right. It's entirely possible that Israel will leave the Gaza strip with their tail between their legs.
Arguably, it's Hamas calling the tune to which Israel dances.
@immibis@nicholas_saunders OH dear, someone got triggered so badly, trying to turn it into personal insult.
I am sure you are a lovely and caring person who served proudly in IDF murdering innocent Palestinians, this is the last time I am responding to your garbage.
@tzafrir@immibis so what the fuck does it have anything to do with the subject?
No country has the right to exist, There is no such thing, it is all mane made agreement by some foreign powers or results of some tribes getting together to call it a nation instead.
Now go and suck the dick of Netanyahu and Ben-gvir, you deserve a candy for doing your citizen duties rightfully.
6 months of the worst human rights abuse. War crimes and crime against humanity and these people still act like the are the civil ones and deserve to be treated politely. @tzafrir@palestine@israel@immibis
Polite? Leaving aside your remarkable rudeness, what's at issue is your circular reasoning and loaded questions in attempting to discuss serious issues.
Your ad hominem attacks are as weak and innefectual as the rest of your logic.
@faab64@tzafrir@palestine@israel@immibis you ask? It's so remarkably presumptive and simplistic the views which you would project onto me. You start from a position where I, specifically, am so terrible that it precludes discussion.
And you misunderstood the significance and context of "right to exist" as is relevant here. But God forbid that we discuss that two state solution you want. Or, rather don't actually want.
@nicholas_saunders@immibis@israel@palestine@tzafrir@faab64 You beg the question. A prerequisite for such a discussion is to agree with the statement that Israel must immediately cease fire and stop murdering Palestinian civilians. Do you agree with this? If not then -- and I cannot stress this enough -- go fuck yourself.
Now, the person you're talking to obviously doesn't support the Holocaust - if I ever insinuated that he did, I could go to prison for saying so. But I just wanted to remind you if this principle anyway.
@faab64 is one of my favorite assholes here. He doesn't know jack shit about Israel (other than the names Netanyahu and Ben Gvir), but he rains down invective on every one of us.
Other than shitposting, I'd like to know what @faab64 is doing to take action at this time of crisis.
Look, be upset, get angry. Fine. But this notion that if I don't share your views then...what? That makes me evil?
That's just not how functioning adults communicate. It's weird.
Go shout in the street. But it is a complex situation. These notions getting shouted about, belong in beauty contestant's mouths and just aren't to be taken seriously.
The crowds, yes, that's serious. But the ideas being propagated? Un serious.
@faab64@nicholas_saunders@tzafrir if they're in Germany it is illegal to think any other way and you will be arrested if the police catch you thinking any other way.
@immibis@israel@palestine@tzafrir@faab64 you guys are lost and have no idea why the "right to exist" is even being mentioned, and engage the most egregious forms of logical fallacies and propgandistic language.
@immibis
I would not call it a holocaust. We still not there.
But it is clearly an active attempt to commit Genocide by military actions. Preventing entrance of food, water and medicine, denying critical care, targeting aid workers, attacking injured civilians and use them as bait to attack anyone trying to help them, actively bombing clearly marked ambulances and press vehicles and staff.
In German law, there can only ever have been one Holocaust - it was a unique event committed once by the Nazis, which can never happen again by definition.
@immibis
I have been a human rights activists for over 40 years.
It is counter productive and wrong to use terms to describe an event when proper use of terms can have both stronger and actionable reaction.
An act of Genocide, is what Israel has been doing in Gaza and part of occupied West Bank by intentionally preventing entrance of food, medicine and water into the besieged areas creating near famine situation.
Israel is not stupid, it has been playing this sick gameing enough to know where the legal definition of enforced famine, active genocide abd holocaust are. That is why they allowed food drops. . minimum aid entrance and changed their military strategies.
Holocaust, by strong push by Jewish lobby has been limited and copy righted to only be referred to the events of Nazi Germany against the Jewish population of Europe. But the legal definition of an action to be classified as holocaust is mostly used for those events because
The word Holocaust is derived from the Greek holokauston, a translation of the Hebrew word ʿolah, meaning a burnt sacrifice offered whole to God. This word was chosen, and gained wide usage, because, in the ultimate manifestation of the Nazi killing program—the extermination camps—the bodies of the victims were consumed whole in crematoria or open fires.
Therefore it would be really useful to focus on what Israel is actually doing and try to get them punished for it, GENOCIDE and Ethnic Cleansing plus systematic, supported and government sanctioned war crimes.
These are the terms that can be used to legally hold Israel accountable for what they are doing and sensationalism and emotionally triggered comments don't do anything other than giving the Israeli army of bots and apologists to discredit everything else by hiding behind such word games that sadly many people accept and react to.
Surely you'd want Hamas standing tall before the man. More than a few commentators, with credentials far in excess of your own, have pointed out this option.
South Africa intentionally and strategically prevented such an occurrence. This is unlike China persecuting minorities and unlike other such scenarios.
To start with, there was a cease fire. At one point.
@nicholas_saunders@tzafrir@faab64 feel free to continue going by what the law says. I go by what actually gets people arrested in the real world. The German government just seized the bank account of a group of Jews for the crime of organising a conference about Palestine. You're blocked now btw since your comments contribute no value.
>>...or results of some tribes getting together to call it a nation instead.<<
This might not be so objectionable, but it is certainly not the origin of any country in the world today, and probably not any real state ever. States form around an elite; imposed from the top down, never from the grass roots.
Start with Jews. Where have existed, and moved to historically.
Next research the barbaric actions of the USA in comparison to this incident you feel is worse than 750,000 starving and dying of cholera, the 300000 missing Ukrainian children, the work camps for Muslims of a specific faith.
Now how does it compare?
We have access to amazing knowledge. Use to it. Let's debate. Then let's make positive changes.
@immibis@justicesandwich Oh dear, here comes even more garbage out of the brain diarrhea of a person using whataboutsism, that hey, it is not THAT bad, they are not gassing or burning their bodies like German did. Or chop their hands like they did in Rwanda, or bind them together and burn them inside their houses like they did in Myanmar.
I am sure, during those crime, you had also excuses to support them or justify inaction and compliance of the world to prevent them from happening too.