Chinese brands are on a whole different level. BYD just announced a hybrid sedan with 2k range that goes for like $14k. There's nothing comparable available from western automakers.
Nobody should go that long driving without a break. When people talk about only being able to drive for 2-3 hours on a charge I'm glad to finally get out of the car and walk around.
The journalists who tried to test the range of the new byd car did take multiple breaks on the ways though. The point is that the car could do that whole trip without recharge or refuel, not that you should do that all in one sitting.
The important point is about capacity. You wouldn't use your smartphone for 24 hours straight without sleeping either, but it'd be nice for the battery to last as long as possible.
I agree but there's a huge problem with this and cars. A phone battery is inconsequential but having double the battery you need in a car is hundreds of kilos you didn't need and this just makes the car use the battery capacity faster. The Hummer EV for instance is nearly 200kwh of potential storage and 9,000lbs.
As charging networks improve, you ideally want just enough range to make it to chargers when you'd normally want to get out of the car anyway.
For an article that size, it's surprisingly light on actual numbers and facts. A lot of auto-show impressions, lots of "ooh look at that" and "ooh that feels nice", even more he-said-she-saids, but no proper comparisons. It's also pretty incoherent and it features A LOT of chinese praise, including whole paragraphs of praising tiktok ( in a friggin car article ). Yeah, I'm not gonna hold my breath that "western car makers are cooked" just based on what this guy wrote.
I’d later learn that the auto show had more than 100 new model debuts and concepts. That’s a far cry from the Detroit Auto Show last September, which only featured one fully new model. Two other models were refreshed versions of current cars already on sale. None were electric.
Western automakers aren’t entangled deeply with tech companies in ways that would serve the end user, Chinese or otherwise. They didn’t get way ahead of the curve to establish a battery supply chain in the ways China did. And they don’t seem to want to cater to the Chinese market (or any market, rather) through continuous updates and agility with their product line.
Even Tesla in China can’t be bothered to update one of its most important products, the Model Y, in this hyper-competitive market. Instead, it relies on margin-hurting gimmicks to move units, like constant price cuts, subsidized trade-in incentives, and 0% financing to get customers to buy a car that is aged and now uncompetitive.
Tesla didn’t even have a presence at the Beijing Auto Show. Elon Musk came and went to Beijing during the show, only to make a case for his robotaxi pivot with government officials. It’s like he’s already given up on cars here.
GM blew it here too. Up until the Beijing Auto Show's debut of a PHEV version, the GL8 was one of the few vans in the segment without any plug-in capabilities. Green-plated New Energy vehicles are an important market in China, as are luxury vans. Why weren’t Western automakers paying attention? Why didn’t GM get an electrified vehicle on sale faster?
If anyone thinks lemmy doesn't have bots: so far 4 of my downvoters are from accounts created during the reddit exodus, and have zero comments or posts.
Before / during the reddit exodus, a lot of servers had open registrations, and every time I see a no-content account, it's from that time period. Almost no new accounts on any lemmy server are zero-content ones.
They aren't cooked. But they aren't in a great position either. The government is going to need to subsidize them a bit. China just went all in on EVs as a national project before anyone else and now it's paying dividends. Western car manufacturers can and will catch up.
What the fuck is "insideevs.whatever" and why is their take relevant to anything?
That's not purely a complaint about source, I sure as hell can't keep track of every valid and useful site on every subject. Is there a reason their opinion matters?
There's a narrative being pushed that EVs = fires.
It's used as a fear tactic, and every time I've done a basic search, the facts show it to be proven false. Be sceptical, and use your critical thinking skills when you see these claims/stories.
See my post above relating to this specific claim.
'Fire at 10 dealerships' doesn't sound nearly as clickbaity as '10 dealerships burned to a crisp'.
And if you see a picture of that 10th dealership, only the showroom burned down. 'a total of seven vehicles were destroyed in this latest fire, and several privately-owned vehicles (at the location for repairs) were also damaged in the incident'. There were dozens of cars in the dealership lot that were untouched. And I won't even go into BYD's claim that 'the source of the fire did not come from their car on display. But from a room on the second floor of the building'
But I guess we have different sources, and live in different bubbles.
What i understand is that the rdw (they do safety and quality checks for new cars to be sold in europe etc) is that the safety rules to get new cars to europe is very strict and the chinese either dont want to or dont know how to meet these requirements. And if a chinese electric car is allowed in to be sold to the masses they meet the absolute minimum requirements to do so. So not a mm (or inch which is more btw) extra effort for safety just so it can be sold.
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