Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/bc45be77-232c-4549-9cc5-b5a07ef34a7d.jpeg

don ,

What, no Aperture Laboratories?! Shame! Shame!

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Bottom right, third from the bottom.

Jentu ,

Yikes. I'd rather get arrested than hold that banner

TheReturnOfPEB ,

they might ... you know ... be gay and work at lockheed martin ... and got their managers to pay for some shit for pride. maybe could submit expense reports and have the trip paid for ...

there were times when gay people couldn't work at lockheed martin. i prefer this photo to that.

volodya_ilich ,

The fact that anyone, let alone LGBTQ+ people, can go to the streets holding a "Lockheed Martin" sign and not get shamed into dropping it, shows we're failing as a society

Malek061 ,

Lockheed martin makes HIMARS. HIMARS is saving ukraine lives. That's a good thing.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

They also make a motherload of AGMs including hellfires & mavericks which the IDF used exclusively to nuke Gaza and its residents into oblivion.

Malek061 ,

Weapons can be used for liberation or oppression at the same time. Lockheed doesn't get to say who they sell to.

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Lockheed doesn’t get to say who they sell to.

Yes, you've identified the problem.

Malek061 ,

So corporations backed by tax dollars get to sell to anyone?

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Swing and a miss. Try going in the opposite direction.

Malek061 ,

So only the American government can sell Lockheed martin arms? Then the corporation is no longer liable for any harm their weapons cause since they have no power or agency in how they are used. Are you really sure you know your position here?

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Wow. I genuinely don't know how you managed to come up with that, it's genuinely impressive.

Try: "Manufacturing weapons of war for profit when you can't guarantee that they won't end up in the wrong hands is unethical and war profiteering corporations should not exist."

volodya_ilich ,

"sometimes they kill the right people, sometimes they don't, not their fault for producing weapons fully knowing that"

Cethin ,

OK, so your earlier comment was saying they're good for sending (selling) weapons to Ukraine. Then you say they can't be held responsible for the bad things. If they can't be responsible for the bad, then they also don't get credit for any good.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

HIMARS is saving ukraine lives. That’s a good thing.

Many people on this platform disagree with that, unfortunately.

volodya_ilich ,

Call me crazy, but if you save a granny from getting run over by a car, and the next thing you do is pull out a gun and shoot a pregnant woman in the face, I don't think people are just gonna forget the latter act of violence because of your former act of compassion.

lilsolar ,
@lilsolar@sh.itjust.works avatar

No you dont

AFC1886VCC ,

If all of a sudden the white power movement had mass public support, these corpos would have their logos plastered over red, black, and white banners by next week. Fuck em.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Liberalism in a nutshell:

AFC1886VCC ,

When the new gay CEO unfairly fires 2000 workers, gay and straight alike 🤑👌

Socsa ,

IDK, I'd rather the people making the weapons be on our side.

volodya_ilich ,

Our side you mean the side of imperialism and neocolonialism, of the invasion of Iraq, of the bombing of Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos and Korea, and the interventionism in Chile, Libya, Iran (Mosaddegh era), and the support of the banana republics? Fuck that, that's not my side.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Agreed, as a Queer person I do not stand with the military industrial complex, nor the politicians that are payed off by them, nor the military that uses their weapons against the innocent.

Censored ,

Is it better to be a queer person in a nation with a strong military that respects and integrates queer people, or a queer person in a nation with a weak military that imprisons and sometimes lynches queer people?

kittenzrulz123 ,

Queer rights and small government not only are not contradictary but actively work together to from a free society, so no I will not engage in your false liberal dicatomy.

Censored ,

Great. What's keeping you from moving to these free societies?

volodya_ilich ,

What's this nonsense? How does reducing military expenditure lead to imprisonment and lynching of queer people? Is the only thing keeping the Military Industrial Complex from murdering queer people giving the former enough money?

Censored ,

What's this nonsense?

It's called a question. There are two scenarios alternate. There is no supposition of cause and effect.

kittenzrulz123 ,

As a Queer person what the hell do you mean? The gears of the military industrial complex are lubricated with the blood of the innocent.

Socsa ,

Do you believe that if the US didn't make weapons, then everyone else would also just stop making weapons?

kittenzrulz123 ,

Just watch this

Even back in 2009 Pacifists understand what endless conflict would lead to, exactly what we're seeing today.

Censored ,

You know what disarming leads to?

Invasion by a hostile force.

Just ask Ukraine. They're a very peaceful people, very into disbanding the military, defunding the military industrial complex, even getting rid of fighter jets and their nuclear weapons.

kittenzrulz123 ,

Ah yes because the US is going to be invaded by... Canada? Mexico? Uzbekistan? Seriously what the hell are you talking about? If you actually think that upholding the American empire has benefitted Americans then you're just a liberal.

Censored ,

The US isn't about to be invaded by anyone. We have a very powerful military. So there is no threat in the world we live in, aside from the threat from internal extremists and asymmetrical warfare (ie terrorism). If the world were quite different, and we had no military power, we'd be at risk from a number of adversaries. Possibility the greatest threat would be foreign-backed "separatism" as occurred in Ukraine in 2014 (which is simply a covert invasion that is disguised as a civil war).

There's literally nothing wrong with being a liberal. It's really quite preferable to a number of the alternatives. It must kill you that the majority of people don't remotely support your political views.

SkyezOpen ,

At which point in history should we have gotten rid of all of our boom?

kittenzrulz123 ,

The point where America stopped defending itself and started becoming a global empire (roughly after WWII).

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

I'm sure the Soviet Union would have disarmed in response, as seen by their holsum reactions to democracy in what-would-become-the-Warsaw-Pact

kittenzrulz123 ,

You do realize that the Warsaw Pact was created in direct response to NATO?

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

You do realize that the Warsaw Pact was created in direct response to NATO?

Did you miss the 'what-would-become' in 'what-would-become-the-Warsaw-Pact'?

You... do realize that NATO was founded after the Soviets couped democracy in Czechoslovakia, right?

... right...?

Jentu ,

It's not like they're arming queer people.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not like they’re arming queer people.

... this may come as a shock, but the US and its allies are the primary countries upholding LGBT rights in their own nations at this point in time.

TheControlled ,

Lockheed-Martin doesn't commit war crimes, the governments you elected or didn't, do the war crimes. They're a weapon and aeronautical reasearch, development, and manufacturing company. Building weapons and planes and jets is something every single nation on Earth does (or buy from those that do). This is just as silly as Coca-Cola sponsoring Pride, maybe even more so if you knew what they've been up to.

Corporations are not your friend or ally, rainbow or not. It doesn't matter what they support because they are all in some way evil. But if people want their support in Pride, why not?

JohnDClay ,

The same plant makes missiles for Ukraine and bombs for Israel. Corporate doesn't care, the governments need to instead.

volodya_ilich ,

"Corporate shouldn't be criticised for selling weapons to murderous governments because they're just trying to make a profit". What an absolute shit of a take

ZMoney ,

Corporations want to be perceived as people, and they are protected by law as such. A person who knowingly manufactures weapons that are being used to commit a genocide is a psychopath. Psychopaths typically feign empathy to appear normal and blend in with society. Lockheed Martin supporting Pride is an example of such behavior.

Of course corporations are profit maximization engines, not people. By allowing them to act like people, we are normalizing psychopathy.

TheControlled ,

That ship sailed centuries ago.

ZMoney ,

Cool. Enjoy your dystopia.

menas ,

I hope you where paid by Lockheed-Martin. Don't make unfair competition to public relationship

TheControlled ,

What the fuck are you talking about? So I'm a shill because I said objective fact, not cynical bullshit? Go fuck yourself.

volodya_ilich ,

Bold of you to assume that there's no cause-effect relation between what Lockheed-Martin execs deem profitable, and whatever policy the US takes. Lobbying is a thing, and the same investors that put money in military conglomerates, put money into lobbying and into media. If you can't see how the existence of powerful capitalist companies that make weapons is detrimental to a democracy, I don't know what to tell you.

What's this bullshit? Now we can't criticise the military conglomerates because "they're just companies doing company things"? Nah fuck that and fuck Lockheed Martin, selling weapons to an imperialist government makes you as bad as the imperialist government.

TheControlled ,

Criticize all you want, sensitive ass. You just stated some whiny generalities about any and corporations based on assumptions and cynicism like it's anything but reactionary noise.

lelgenio ,
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https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/a3b155f6-b523-4657-a926-6c7c5df58531.png

bl_r ,

My first pride experience involved wearing a Kuffiyeh and shouting at my local military contractor’s HR department and the one visibly LGBTQ person as they strolled down the street appalled that people didn’t want them there.

No pride in genocide,

mydude ,

Getting wealthy on war profiteering while wrapping yourself in the pride flag. Great, just great...

ameancow ,

Is there at least any way we can leverage this so that bigots become literally scared of mistreating queer people? Like, if you deliberately misgender someone or use a homophobic slur everyone goes quiet and scatters in different directions because they are anticipating the drone strike.

mydude ,

I'd say that it's better to frame it as; lockheed supports lgbtq+ but lgbtq+ does not support lockheed as long as lockheeds business-model is based on killing people.

VirtualOdour ,

I know it's difficult but you don't speak for everyone that isn't straight, you don't get to decide what the whole group thinks.

Having sex with people of the same gender is not a political position, sexuality does not determine political and moral views. Plenty of gay people have political and moral perspectives which differ from your own and they are still valid in their sexuality.

Pride should be for everyone who wants to celebrate LGBT, it's not a political party. Yes that means people you don't agree with politically get to celebrate too.

TotallynotJessica ,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

Right wing queer people aren't invalid in their identity, they're just shunned for aiding people who will oppress all of us. Blaire White is a valid woman, but she's not welcome at pride because she works to make our lives worse for short term gain. Bernie Sanders is cishet, but he's welcome at pride for being a long time ally of queer rights.

Pride isn't for queer people by virtue of their identity; it's for all people that fight for our right to proudly exist.

volodya_ilich ,

"supporting the military conglomerates is just a matter of ideology, don't criticise it pls!" Fuck that lukewarm shit, every exec at Lockheed Martin should be tossed in jail

oatscoop ,
@oatscoop@midwest.social avatar

"My pronouns might be they/them, but yours are about to be were/was."

This message brought to you by Lockheed Martin: proudly supporting LGBTQ+ drone pilots worldwide.

Chriszz ,

Okay I’m all for equal treatment, but you sound fucking crazy right now. Do you know what you’re actually suggesting? Instilling fear of death in people committing a minor intolerance. That’s not a free society and it sounds like the start of a different monster of an oppressive system.

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, people associate queer people with drone strikes, alright. Not as much in the US but there are people around the world (global south, etc) who will take stuff like this at face value and hate queer people because they associate us with the US military. It generally doesn't work out well for the queer people living there.

PugJesus , (edited )
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

Not as much in the US but there are people around the world (global south, etc) who will take stuff like this at face value and hate queer people because they associate us with the US military.

Jesus fucking Christ, imagine believing this.

Imagine being THIS into apologia for homophobia.

And then pretending like you never said this, lol.

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, it's very stupid. Lots of reactionaries will talk about the concept of queer people being "imported" from Western culture, while at the same time importing their own talking points from the Western far-right media sphere. Obviously, there's plenty of queer history to be found all around the world, and in many cases homophobia was historically imported through Christian colonizers, but reactionaries aren't exactly known for their historical literacy.

Imagine being THIS into apologia for homophobia.

Wait, now I'm confused. Did I misinterpret your comment as interpreting my comment correctly?

Are you saying "imagine believing this" in response to people being homophobic, or in response to me acknowledging that homophobic people exist?

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

"Imagine believing that long-standing homophobia in other countries is caused by the US military becoming relatively queer-friendly 10 years ago"

Objection ,
@Objection@lemmy.ml avatar

Ok I'm imagining it. Seems like a really dumb thing to believe. Not sure what that has to do with anything I said tho.

andallthat ,

I can't say if this specific one is authentic but I would not be surprised, as my company does the same: branded pride flags, t-shirts for their LGBTQ+ employees.
And I'm torn on this, because I feel a bit bad about the branding aspect of it, but on the other hand the company putting their name to openly support all sexual and gender identities does seem like a good thing to do....

Yes, the irony of a company that produces more efficient ways of killing people being concerned with social issues does not escape me. But there are employees of the company who apparently support both (and good for them)

MindTraveller ,

Any employee of Lockheed Martin who's an ally attended on their own, not behind company branding. This is just a big business rainbowwashing itself. Using queer people as a tool to improve its own social capital.

asphalt ,

Well that doesn't really adress the point

Buffalobuffalo ,

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/b9239082-fb31-47ee-8464-1428c4df9124.webp

KnowledgeableNip ,

It's also led by LGBT people and allies within the company. The goal is to make it a nicer place to work and recruit talent; whatever PR comes their way is just a perk.

volodya_ilich ,

If you're not fucking ASHAMED of parading with a Lockheed Martin banner, you're a disgusting human being. Change my mind

volodya_ilich ,

But there are employees of the company who apparently support both (and good for them)

God, what the fuck is wrong with you people. "Good for people to be able to both be supportive of LGBTQ+ and support the military industry of an imperialist country like the US!!". Fuck you, honestly

Censored ,

That imperialist country is really the leading force in pushing for LGBTQ rights globally. So keep stanning dictatorships where queer people would be bullied at best, routinely tortured and murdered at worst.

volodya_ilich ,

Almost as if, hear me out, I won't praise any private company whose profit motive is making killing easier :0

The INSTITUTIONS of the US in general aren't responsible for the social progress in feminism and LGBTQ+ and racial issues, let alone the military or the industrial complex behind it. It's the people in the US who are behind all of this momentum, despite the institutions fighting against it as we can see with the recent Roe v Wade incident or the oppression of trans rights by republicans. These social victories have been achieved DESPITE the US institutions and the military industrial complex NOT BECAUSE of them.

PugJesus ,
@PugJesus@lemmy.world avatar

The INSTITUTIONS of the US in general aren’t responsible for the social progress in feminism and LGBTQ+ and racial issues,

Do you happen to know what the polling was for approval of interracial marriage at the time of Loving v. Virginia? Just curious.

mydude ,

Is this picture real? I mean, for real, real...? Link to video?

bl_r ,

I live near another military contractor, and I saw them in pride this year. I’d say this is real.

It’s pretty disgusting ngl

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