claudiop

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claudiop ,

When the likely outcome is death, most people don't want to fight. If people were just allowed to flee to some other country, not only the bully country gets a free and repeatable pass but the neighbouring countries get some immigration crisis which lead to not-so-fun rhetorics.

The Finns were some of the most vigorous defenders in history, but if they just had the option of moving en mass to Sweden, consequence-free, they probably would. If that was to be the case every decade or so, today's Russia would be bigger than the USSR ever was and without any republic whatsoever, only Russians given that everyone else fled. They have quite the history of chomping territory; that's how they got this big to start with.

You probably understand that this wouldn't fly. That the other countries wouldn't allow it to happen anyway. But at the end of the day, you need boots on the ground to do anything about it.

claudiop ,

These last year's of fighting were not exclusively done by volunteers and patriots at all.

Source: Gave a place to stay to a men (28yo) dodging the draft, weeks after the war started. He told me that his friends were either hiding in some grandpa house, pretending that they never knew about any draft invite, or straight up ran to some other country (some of them bribing border guards in the process).

These situations happened in 2022, not now. You can probably imagine that this is far from "with volunteers". A lot of these were caught (or didn't hide in the first place) and were sent to some army outpost.

claudiop ,

the history of anyone before the 20th century

Does it count when talking about prophets, deities, gods and such? Weren't they meant to be perfect?

I don't recall the possibility of god and his messangers being imperfect, in any century.

We humans, we are flawed and have societies whose notions are not static because we evolve. God can't afford the excuse of "errors of the past, I evolved"

claudiop ,

I didn't even specify any religion. I just said that god, any god, by definition, can't evolve.

This ain't Hercules adventures where gods are just sky humans with perks. Mainstream gods (&co) are all perfect in their "mysterious ways".

As such, if a prophet was into pedophilia, then either pedophilia is right (which I personally find odd... but them I'm merely human...) or that prophet wasn't exactly the most exemplary lad.

Whatever the case, people's lives are worth of dignity, be it Palestinians, Israelis, South Africans or Santa. That's not what I was arguing against at all. We can defend people while, at the same time, pointing the finger out at some bullshit they do.

The west is also full of bullshit. So what? We can also point the finger at that. Be my guest. I never said that we were perfect.

claudiop ,

That's not the case in my western country but sure, hit that scarecrow. I personally know underage people dating 25-ish people.

What is frowned upon is people in completely different levels of maturity creating a tremendous imbalance, and usually abuse. DiCaprio dating teens is not a "we stand on an equal footing and love each other" kind of thing, is a "I'm famous and will use this fact to mess with teenagers".

An elderly hardly has a healthy relationship with a teenager, and this is particularly true for arranged marriages.

This western civilization thing of your already had that in the past. We stopped doing that rather recently as we figured it creates more trouble than not. Let's not pretend that "western" is some sort of axiom that just appeared and not the product of the evolution of some society. Just like eastern societies have such evolutions in some aspects. For example some eastern civilisations figured that clean spaces are better and so they try real hard to try to keep them that way. Of course you're free to argue that this cleanliness is not needed so it is a purely subjective thing of these societies and not necessarily better, but sociologists night disagree.

As for "ok if the victim preforms the deed", that's irrelevant. The same criteria applies. Promoting healthier relationships promotes a healthier society. If some 14/yo teenager is obsessed with dating way older men for whatever reason, chances are people are going to judge it, legal or not, no matter the society.

claudiop ,

Everyone considers stealing wrong. Everyone condemns big fat pigs robbing millions from the financial system wrong. If I had to place a bet, most people would of they had the chance. The fact people are hypocritical doesn't mean it is not condemnable. DiCaprio is a piece of shit in a lot of people's mind, just not in the judicial system.

No shit that a lot of middle-aged or maybe elderly man would enjoy 16 year old teasing them. Not so much for woman but if I had to bet it would happen as well. Our sex drive plays a lot here. Back in the we're animals in nature thingy, putting dicks into young women was almost always a "good thing"; propagating genes and stuff. Just so happens that we're trying not to behave like wild beasts anymore.

The brain would ideally be fully matured before one is to take life-long decisions, however 25 years is an awful lot of time. My armchair sociologist says that people would not tolerate that for the same reason people do not tolerate expecting for their kids to be 25 before allowing them to cross the road by themselves. Maturity is not a linear thing. At the age of 5 you'll try to kill yourself every now and then. At the age of 10 you barely do that. 18 is an arbitrary line, yes, because it is believed that most people at that age are able to figure life long decisions well-enough. People still get some sparks of development after 18, but it is nowhere compared to the 5-10 or the 10-15.

You state that age differences at the time were far more common. Well, at the time most marriages were arranged and considered plenty of things above the wellbeing of the brides.

In any case, we're working around my key argument. We're all silly animals, but god and it's prophets are supposed to be perfect. You can point a finger at them for that. Yes, fuck Francis. That guy is a piece of shit as well and points fairly well at the bullshit that Christianity is. This is not a anti-muslim rant; it is a "can we condemn condemnable people that were supposed to know what they were doing as they were 'perfect'?"

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claudiop ,

What exactly do you suggest them do? Move elsewhere? How exactly?

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