Lauchs

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Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

This is the primary.

Against an incumbent. The meaningful primaries were 2020, 2016.

would you actually vote for someone under whose approval your relative thirsted to death?

"My relative died, who cares if my choices actively make things worse for those who are still alive?"

Sucks to have that sociopath as a relative I guess.

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

Luckily the people in this article are making their voices heard

And if they'd done so in the primaries, that change might have done some good for Palestineans.

But I don’t know that people who are voting against Biden because of Palestine will wish he had won if trump wins, I think they might wish Biden had taken this hint and acted differently, but that’s not the same thing.

Not the same thing to us rich westerners, no. And it's not the same to the Palestineans who would suffer worse with a trump presidency.

This position makes zero sense. If you give a damn about Palestineans and the worse option wins, how could you not wish the better option had won?

The folks considering not voting either don't actually give a damn about Palestinean well being or are mind bogglingly counter productive.

There is no universe in which someone is simultabeously: a) genuinely concerned about Palestineans B) considering not voting Biden because of Palestine and C) has at least the intelligence of a turnip.

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

And that's their right!

BUT, to complain about the effects of their own choices is absurd.

"I made a conscious decision to not vote progressive and now a centrist politician is enacting centrist policies with entirely predictable outcomes! How could this have happened?!?"

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

Unfortunately, failing to choose means choosing the worse option.

Though, had all the young pro Palestine leftists bothered to show up during the 2020 or 2016 primaries, there might be a more progressive president and thus a better set of choices. Unfortunately, showing up to the primaries seems anathema to the under 30 crowd, hence, two terrible choices.

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

To be clear, you're choosing the guy who'd shoot both?

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

So, they're going to help someone who would make it worse for the remaining relatives? That makes sense.

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

It's either online purity politics or damn near zero understanding of consequences.

"I don't like what Biden didn't do for Palestinias, I'm going to help someone who would be way worse for Palestinians! Yay!"

Lauchs , to politics in Rashida Tlaib and 'uncommitted' voters just delivered a major rebuke to Biden over Israel — and it could make him lose Michigan to Trump in 2024

Which is insane given that the man to whom he'd lose would be far worse for Palestineans...

The only way it makes sense is if the people who'd not vote over Israel don't actually care about Palestineans so much as being on the "right"/socially cool side of the issue. Otherwise not voting for Biden over trump because of Israel is like refusing to ride home with your friend because they had a beer and instead hopping in the car with the guy who was slamming tequila all night.

Lauchs , to politics in Trump is winning big with his base, but there’s no sign that he's broadening support

Dubious methodology says trump in trouble -> upvote

Dubious methodology says Biden in trouble -> downvote to oblivion.

Lauchs , to politics in Democrats Should Pick a New Presidential Candidate Now, The party needs to wake up and stop sleepwalking toward disaster with Biden as its nominee

No, but the age thing certainly is sticking. An overwhelming majority of Americans ate concerned about his age.

Like, Taylor Swift only has 60% or so approval in America whereas I think it was some 70 or 80% of Americans are concerned about Biden's age/mental acuity.

Lauchs , to politics in Democrats Should Pick a New Presidential Candidate Now, The party needs to wake up and stop sleepwalking toward disaster with Biden as its nominee

Should unite us but somehow about half of America insists they are going to vote for trump.

So it does matter who runs against trump because, believe it or not, people disagree with us. And I would rather not see another trump term.

Lauchs , to politics in Democrats Should Pick a New Presidential Candidate Now, The party needs to wake up and stop sleepwalking toward disaster with Biden as its nominee

Man, I remember reading lists that were pretty much the same about why people would obviously vote for Clinton in 2016.

Don't remember how that went, can you remind me?

Lauchs , to politics in Nate Silver Sounds the Alarm on Biden Campaign: It's time for the White House to put up or shut up

I mean, the Right is going full force on Biden's age and Biden/Biden's staff seem unable or unwilling to forcefully rebut this by putting him out in unscripted moments.

And frankly, Biden's age was a concern in 2020. Regardless of how much I want him to win, it would be an absolute dereliction of journalistic duty to not cover it.

Especially because if Biden is fully with it, a good hard interview (or even an absolute softball like the Superbowl interview) should be the easiest thing in the world.

Lauchs , to politics in Nate Silver Sounds the Alarm on Biden Campaign: It's time for the White House to put up or shut up

It's not the media, it is an overwhelming majority of Americans that are concerned.

Covering your eyes doesn't actually keep away the boogeyman or reality.

Lauchs , to politics in Nate Silver Sounds the Alarm on Biden Campaign: It's time for the White House to put up or shut up

I’m not convinced this is valid criticism as much as supposition.

It is a widely shared supposition, that's literally the point of the article.

To sinplify: Trump may win because an overwhelming majority of Americans think Biden is too old. Biden's team has been unable to convince the public that he isn't.

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