Verka Serduchka - Partying (OC translation) ( youtu.be )

We raise our glasses \ To live without woes \ For our hearts to sing

We raise our glasses \ So that everything we want \ Would eventually happen

Trinity of the white horses \ Ride across the field

Guess what we have \ We have a party!

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[2x]

The songs are flowing \ The wines are pouring \ And the glasses are knocking in the unison

Urkaine \ is not dead \ If we are still partying like that!

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We'd make your blood boil \ even in that cold weather

By singing a song about love \ about love that's mutual

Trinity of the white horses \ Ride across the field

Guess what we have \ We have a party!

.

[3x]

The songs are flowing \ The wines are pouring \ And the glasses are knocking in the unison

Urkaine \ is not dead \ If we are still partying like that!

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The songs are flowing \ The wines are pouring \ And the glasses are knocking in the unison

Urkaine \ isn't going to die \ As long as we are still partying like that!

In Simpheropol, Crimea, three girls were charged by russian occupational authorities for singing and dancing to that pop song in public. Viktory Dainenko, singing as a Victoria the Grumpy, was a big hit in all ex-USSR in the 00s. It's a weird, stupid decision to criminalize it now, but who cares? They can ban every mention of that song with a capital punishment, but we all know that everyone here danced to it at least once, and why stop at that? The song is dated, but it's still a blast.

Rose ,

There are two ways to view the song. On the one hand, it's in Russian and it symbolizes the many years of Russia imposing its language and culture on its neighbors, with Serduchka having been complicit and regularly performed in Russia - even for Putin. On the other hand, as you noted, playing it inside Russia today can be a way of protesting the invasion and hate of Ukraine.

photoncollector ,
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@Rose @andrew_bidlaw
It expresses the age-old Russian belief that suffering is inescapable, and must be accepted.
(Most 'Russian' folk songs were stolen or plagiarised from Ukraine.)

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I won't argue that but I'd like to see examples if you care to post them.

I have a lot of favs from both Ukraine and Russia, so I won't turn into an angry vatnik-mode in the comments.

photoncollector ,
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@andrew_bidlaw Learn to speak Russian fluently, and live in Russia for a few years. Nothing I ever say wiil, or should, convince you of anything.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I don't see where it came from.

You probably meant that you had

Learnt to speak Russian fluently, and live in Russia for a few years.

And I only asked you for a couple of examples of russian folk plagiarising ukrainian culture. I'm open to learn. But when you tell me that

Nothing I ever say wiil, or should, convince you of anything.

instead of dropping some examples, I can only assume that you've heard it somewhere and can't prove it yourself. Instead, you choose to escape the conversation after your original claim.

It leaves me sad. I was in the right mood to hear some folk. And I got dismissed like I said something wrong.

photoncollector ,
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@andrew_bidlaw To be honest, I'm a bit tired of Russia. The Russians openly admit that alot of their folk music came from Ukraine. There's been much written about this in Russian. It's not a secret. Buy a book about the history of Russian Folk Music on Ebay.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I'm not only tired of Russia, I hate it, and I assume every artistic creation from there was made in spite of it's cancerogenic nature.

But I'm also a musical geek and I find a lot of unique motives in our russian underground music.

I'm very sorry, but I'd tell you to go fuck yourself with a knife for you last sentence. Why? Because you can't send me examples to prove your point, thus showing you are a fucking liar.

Would you do that or you claims worth nothing? You are to decide.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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Did you miss all these times Zelensky played in New year celebrations on the main russian television channels (with Slovyov, kek)? Or that many ukrainians, especially in southern and easter regions still speak russian? Many started to consider switching to uktainian full-time only in 2022. It was faster in Lviv, but it took some time in Kharkiv and regions. Still, many there are unsisting on speaking russian. Let them be, I guess.

Sergei Dainenko said he's against that war and iirc he re-recorded some songs in ukrainian. Even that song has a punchline in ukrainian. He doesn't need to protest anything, his whole existence as a drag artist wishing good to Ukraine are easy 20 years sentence down there. I hope he moved out of there.

Rose ,

Did you miss all these times Zelensky played in New year celebrations on the main russian television channels (with Slovyov, kek)?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Besides, I don't see the relevance of the whataboutism. Your argument could have some weight only in relation to someone who posts those old videos of Zelensky to point out their hypocrisy.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
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I don't want to pount someone's hypocrisy. All I want to say is that our cultures were intemixed to the point you can't tell who's of what nationality. But when the war came, everyone showed their colors.

Ilovethebomb ,

Every one of your posts is getting downvoted, with no engagement.

Take the hint and sod off.

andrew_bidlaw OP , (edited )
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They are mildly controversial if you look at actual counts on my previous posts where I translated soul-inspiring ukrainian Fleur's songs. These posts drowned below zero a couple of times before getting upvotes. These posts show the same picture, they are just yet to mature and get balanced. They won't get more than 10 upvotes, but I still feel some warmth from knowing some 10+ people shared my fascination with that band and maybe dug into them. Even one person is enough to justify the labor I put into it.

But I'd go against myself if I'd care about these internet points. Especially with that post. I find it important for ukrainian community for this russian-speaking ukrainian was very popular in Russia and there are now numerous charges against people playing his songs, including occupied territories, signaling of a new low now reached. And posting their lyrics for our foreign readers to know what they are about is in my opinion essential to the ukrainian-russian discourse.

I don't post there that often, it just so happens I collect a couple of texts in my backlog and I post them one by one once a couple of weeks or more. If people downvote them and decrease their visibility, let it be. Let market economy decide, пусть рынок порешает, as we say in our languages. For me it was important to post it and I don't really care what comes after that. And I encourage you to downvote it if you feel it's unfitting for that community or to your taste, so that others won't read it. Unlike my local votes, your clicks matter.

toofpic ,

But you are so engaged! Thank you for the insight!

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