Soyweiser ,

Yes we could just shoot the severs, but what if the AI develops an anti-bullet shield, and then we shoot it with anti-bullet shield bullets, and then it creates an anti-bullet shield bullet bullet shield, and then, ... and then ...

Anyway, those kinds of kids reality free, imagination games of move and counter move were pretty cool when you were 8 years old.

Sorry got distracted a bit and just wanted to share, not related to the topic at hand.

skillissuer ,
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this kinda happened with antitank weapons and highest iteration now is antitank missile paired with anti-anti-antitank missile. it's rpg-30, russian wunderwaffe manufactured in symbolic numbers which only caused western militaries to develop countermeasures and was never used on large scale in any war

Soyweiser ,

Not really what I meant, but interesting.

That reminds me of the star wars missile defense system, which according to some stories was never real and just intended to make the Soviets waste a lot of resources on trying to counter it.

dgerard OP Mod ,
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which according to some stories

this was cope, it was a defense funding scam

Soyweiser ,

Perhaps the same could be said of all religions of America.

dgerard OP Mod ,
@dgerard@awful.systems avatar

"look, not everything is a defense funding scam"
"well that is"
....

FermiEstimate ,

I conclude that scheming is a disturbingly plausible outcome of using baseline machine learning methods to train goal-directed AIs sophisticated enough to scheme (my subjective probability on such an outcome, given these conditions, is ~25%).

Out: vibes and guesswork

In: "subjective probability"

mawhrin ,
@mawhrin@awful.systems avatar

at one of the places i worked this kind of data was called assnumbers.

Architeuthis ,
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I'm not spending the additional 34min apparently required to find out what in the world they think neural network training actually is that it could ever possibly involve strategy on the part of the network, but I'm willing to bet it's extremely dumb.

I'm almost certain I've seen EY catch shit on twitter (from actual ml researchers no less) for insinuating something very similar.

barsquid ,

[Taking the derivative of a function] oh fuck the function is conscious and plotting against us.

V0ldek ,
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It's called a function plot for a reason!

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