leftzero ,

If any composer was going to be mathematically proven to be anything, it pretty much had to be Bach...

Lowbird ,

Describing subjective art with numbers means it's objectively good now! No. >.<

Math, and even merely counting, as applied to the real world always has a human element intangled with it, even though people like to pretend otherwise. Like, you can't count apples without first deciding what an apple is, where the boundaries of that category are, and declaring them all to be equivalent for your purposes (e.g. one fresh apple = one barely still edible apple). The abstraction of it adds subjectivity.

Anyway the relationship of math with music is interesting nonetheless. It just doesn't have to be about making art objective somehow.

CanadaPlus ,

Bach >> Beethoven.

Fight me.

rgb3x3 ,

They're both so overrated.

Chopin, Liszt, and Debussy are where it's at.

CanadaPlus ,

You wanna go mate? I'll baroque your back. /s

derbis ,

Da bussy seems to have made a comeback lately especially

kinship ,

Always finish on the Bach never on Debussy

ulkesh ,
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He was! But he overused the harpsichord, in my very humble and unfounded opinion, and it hurts my ears to listen to a lot of his creation. I get why he did (the piano was still a very new creation, and the harpsichord could be more easily heard in concert halls), but it sure does pierce the eardrum these days.

hakase ,

To provide a dissenting opinion, I've always preferred harpsichords to pianos, which is one of the reasons I love Bach so much.

Pianos somehow sound simultaneously harsher than harpsichords with the off-putting initial clunk of the keys, and boringly muted in comparison.

ulkesh ,
@ulkesh@beehaw.org avatar

I do love a lot of his music. It’s just difficult to hear the shrill of the harpsichord, for me.

Pulptastic ,

Harpsichord always seems so frilly and thin. Piano has more depth and range of emotion, more dynamics.

CanadaPlus ,

Hmm, what percentage of his stuff was written for organ, I wonder? Wikipedia says that was his claim to fame while still alive, and there's an instrument that still holds up.

sqgl , (edited )

Now do Aphex Twin. No need to convert his music into numerical data either - am sure he would supply it if asked nicely.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

was this really a worthwhile expenditure of effort? certainly mathematicians could have found something better to do with their time?

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

i choose to believe that this is what maths nerds do in their spare time when theyre not using their abilities to cure cancer and stuff.

this sand is cold

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

fair? when i'm not professionally graphic designing, i shitpost star trek memes, although nobody can convince me that that's not a worthwhile expenditure of my time :)

originalucifer ,
@originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com avatar

my kid reminded me of something similar one day.. i was kinnda making fun of all these kids sitting around watching some guy play a video game... youtube or whatnot.. it was a whole big genre i guess.

anyway i was having a problem identifying with this arrangement..lightly teasing them about watching this when my then 12 year old says 'how is it different than sitting at/watching on tv any ballpark watching other people play those games?' .. he might as well have added 'old man'.

for some reason, when it he put it like that it just kinda slapped some reality into me.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

I will, with no shame, admit that I have watched, at 45 years old, play through of the game Myst, because, even all these years later, I could not fucking get through it on my own. 

Also, all Myst games, the Ultima Underworld games, and a few others, lol. It’s like playing the game alongside someone else. It’s fun.

GammaGames ,
@GammaGames@beehaw.org avatar

This was how I explained lets plays to my family in high school. Plus, you’re usually watching for the personalities. I’ve played games (most recently Snowrunner) because I enjoyed listening to the people play

driving_crooner ,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

You really never know what mathematics discoveries can do. Number theory was an useless brach of mathematics, considered an useless endeavor of theoretical mathematics and basically a hobby. Until modern computation and the RSA algorithm gave number theory an use, and without it, the internet as we know it, couldn't exist.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

now you’re reminding me of that West Wing episode wherein they were asking what the point of investing in a superconducting supercollider was:

Discovery.

Not long after that episode aired, the Higgs-Boson was discovered at the LHC.

OmnipotentEntity ,
@OmnipotentEntity@beehaw.org avatar

That episode aired in March 2002.

LHC began operating in 2010 and the Higgs Boson was confirmed in 2012.

The focus of the 2002 episode was on the SSC, the boondoggle of a collider that was being built in Texas and was cancelled in 1993.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

oh, hmm...

rooster_butt ,

a or an is based on the next words consonant or vowel sound. It's a useless and a use. Because the word use has a y sound not a u sound. An example of a u word that uses an would be an umpire.

Sorry on mobile so adding quote is a pain.

SpectralPineapple ,

One one hand, sure, this seems like a waste of time. On the other, I did get paid to get a masters in literature. So I don't think I'm in a position to judge :P

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

I have an MfA. Nobody will convince me that our education holds no value.

and, fwiw, I’m not judging— and if you’ll check out my other comments, it didn’t take much for others to remind me how silly I was being. :)

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

Depends. Will this research allow creating AIs that can compose "in the style of Bach", or even compose "ideal music"... and make a ton of money by selling it as a service to large music producers?

Coming soon: Song of the year, by [some figurehead] (composed and interpreted by AI)

CanadaPlus ,

Not to be rude, but hah.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We know as well as anyone that math is the study of questions we can answer exactly, but which often aren't very important. If you want to talk about something desperately meaningful talk to a philosopher (and keep talking, zing!).

Right now Platonism is the dominant way of thinking about pure math, and in it's lens the questions are treated as literally separate from the material world.

comicallycluttered ,

You may enjoy perusing the various winners of the Ig Nobel Prize.

Some fantastic stuff in there.

Is it worth the effort? Do they have anything better to do? I'd say the answer to both of those is "maybe".

I personally enjoy these wild kinds of studies and hope they never stop.

cowpowered ,

Phew. Finally. I was getting worried.

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