After 18 years of #hamas control of #Palestinians , is it impossible to suggest the only people that remain living in #gaza were families or infrastructure supporting #terrorists?
Hamas declared #jihad on #israel, October 7th 2023 from the streets of Gaza.
Hamas took 200 + #hostages from around the world on October 7th 2023.
@RememberUsAlways@palestine@israel I agree that it is impossible to suggest that only Hamas supporters live in Gaza. Well, not impossible... people can say it. But the odds that this is reality are amazingly low. Furthermore, even if true, it would be irrelevant. You don't get to kill people for their beliefs.
Where is your data on the odds? Can you be more specific in this assumption?
Seems quite reasonable to suggest the building of 480 KM of tunnels everywhere in Gaza would be obvious. Seems reasonable to suggest that after 18 years of Hamas control, the opposition would be dead or moved to nations like Jordan.
I think you are assuming everyone is innocent in Gaza. Clearly impossible.
@RememberUsAlways@palestine@israel you seem to be proposing that Hamas, as a political group, is so attractive to people who experience its influence that the majority of people fall under its spell and support them?
That doesn't seem a bit far-fetched to you?
What possible attraction do you think they have?
As for kms of tunnels... what does that imply? My city has them... yours does too. Utilities, trains, roads, sewers... so what?
However, the fearful act as shields for Hamas. If they don't, Hamas has no regard for the civilians in Palestine. Palestinian's support Hamas out of fear.
Hamas has failed to keep Palestinians safe. This is the responsibility of every nation on Earth.
@RememberUsAlways@palestine@israel I highly doubt you will find many people anywhere on earth that disagree with the basic concept of "Hamas bad". I bet even the Israeli government officials that funded Hamas in the 1980s regret their choices.
That seems axiomatic. But, given that reality, what do you think this says about the other 2.2 million people living in Gaza?
@RememberUsAlways@palestine@israel I also wonder... who has Hamas failed to keep Palestinians safe from? Where is the threat to Palestinians? What form of safety would work?
Because of the position #hamas has on the #TwoStateSolution , I would argue all Palestinians are used as terrorist shields to promote the obstruction.
Until that changes, Israel will pound Gaza until they release all the Hostages then recognize Israel as a Nation. Once this is achieved as part of the peace process, there will be hope for Palestine again.
Until Hamas is dismantled or surrenders, the war will continue and more civilians killed.
@RememberUsAlways@palestine@israel and there we have a fundamental disagreement. Killing civilians is NOT acceptable. What Hamas did was an abomination. What the IDF is doing is an abomination. What Pol Pot did was an abomination. The drone bombing by Obama, the Pinochet government, Haiti, Chad, Somalia, Stalin, Mao... all abominations.
The real estate border dispute is part of the war declaration from Palestinians and Israelis.
Both governments declared war on eachother over land disputes and human rights.
The act of declaration gives broad immunity to both nations to achieve their war targets.
As a world, we've debated these facts over the years but nothing has changed the broad scope of powers Nations have over civilians in war declaration.
In an eight-point decline since 2021, just 26 percent said the government was very (three percent) or largely (23 percent) responsive to the needs of the people. When asked what is the most effective way for ordinary people to influence the government, a plurality said “nothing is effective.”
The Israeli response was to go to their leaders and declare war and mobilize their fighters.
Two nations. Both declared war
In many nations around the world, war declaration gives governments immense power to achieve war objectives. Civilian casualties are reported and terrible, yet also considered acceptable losses to achieve war objectives.
Israel is covered by international law because the people of Israel declared a response.
@RememberUsAlways@andrew@palestine@israel because 75 years ago, the region was at peace, at least when you consider the fall of the ottoman empire and the 2 world wars that followed. There was a fundamental shift in the dynamics that happened 70 years ago.
@RememberUsAlways@andrew@palestine@israel the same can be said for any European city. There are reasons for all those city walls. Hell, even American cities had walls... NYC had one. Torn down, and renamed Wall Street.