ArbiterXero ,

This is literally the centre of the incel problem.

spaduf OP Mod ,
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Would you be willing to expand a little bit for the purposes of discussion?

ArbiterXero ,

Oh for sure!

I’ve known several incels, and in my experience, their entitlement to sex is really just an extension of wanting to feel loved.

Men grow up in a near drought of love and physical affection. After about 5 years old, we can’t hug our best friends.

Then men are told that they will pick a blushing bride that will be everything to them.

And when that doesn’t work, they become bitter and don’t know what to do with the rejection, because they have shit coping skills and mix up their entitlement for love with an entitlement for sex.

It’s a mess. I’m not absolving the incels of their shitty behaviour, but I’m also not going to say that “they deserve to feel unloved”

But I think the solution starts with recognizing that the incels actually want love. In my experience, women want to feel loved, and THEN trust you physically with sex. This makes sense because the physical danger for women is very real. Men seem to do it backwards. They want to get physical first and then trust you with love, since emotional danger is very real to them.

Anyways I’ll stop rambling, this is a mix of facts and personal experiences, but I really stand by the general point.

spaduf OP Mod ,
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I really think you nailed it here

dumples ,
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I’ve known several incels, and in my experience, their entitlement to sex is really just an extension of wanting to feel loved.
Men grow up in a near drought of love and physical affection. After about 5 years old, we can’t hug our best friends.

I think you really have hit the nail on the head about how sex is the only source for a lot of important emotions and needs that is socially acceptable in a toxic gender roles based system. Sex is the only place that physical intimacy, honesty, giving / receiving pleasure, tenderness, feeling sexy etc. can be achieved. Most people cannot express that correctly and can't see they can get it elsewhere. This causes tons of issues for people both within and without relationships.

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