Caboose12000 ,

Its weird how often this is relevant
https://youtu.be/S5_YiVgd5wY?si=GKahewPpWhe1GmBA

Nacktmull ,
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Is this just a joke or is there in fact a historic source for this?

PugJesus OP ,
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Historical! Romans saw sexual relations as a matter of 'penetrator' and 'penetrated', or 'active' and 'passive', or 'receiving pleasure' and 'giving pleasure'. In all of these cases, it was the second which was 'shameful' (to at least some degree), and the former which reflected virility and manliness.

In matters of oral sex, then, Romans held that receiving oral sex was manly - giving it was 'effeminate' or 'servile'. Some very odd sexual standards, the Romans.

Here's an example of rhetoric of same-sex penetration being used as a threat which 'reclaims' the Roman author's masculinity from accusations of being too effeminate in his poetry

Nacktmull ,
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Romans saw sexual relations as a matter of ‘penetrator’ and ‘penetrated’, or ‘active’ and ‘passive’, or ‘receiving pleasure’ and ‘giving pleasure’. In all of these cases, it was the second which was ‘shameful’ (to at least some degree), and the former which reflected virility and manliness.

I know, that is the reason I asked.

In matters of oral sex, then, Romans held that receiving oral sex was manly - giving it was ‘effeminate’ or ‘servile’. Some very odd sexual standards, the Romans.
Here’s an example of rhetoric of same-sex penetration being used as a threat which ‘reclaims’ the Roman author’s masculinity from accusations of being too effeminate in his poetry

Are you sure about that? In the poem Catullus wrote "I will sodomize you and face-fuck you" not "I will sodomize you and suck you off", so there seems to be some kind of misunderstanding here, just not sure on which side tbh.

PugJesus OP ,
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"Receiving fellatio" is being sucked off, the active, penetrative position; giving fellatio would be sucking off, the 'giving' penetrated position.

Nacktmull ,
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Oh, never mind then, I am not a native speaker of the english language and thought receiving fellatio meant receiving the penis in the mouth, not the other way around :D

PugJesus OP ,
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No worries! I see how the terminology can be confusing!

Etterra ,

It's like that comic where the men are so manly they only have children with other men don't ask how it works I don't know and I don't want to.

PugJesus OP ,
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lmao, that reminds me of a 2nd century AD Roman novel, Vera Historia. It's kind of a proto-sci-fi story. At one point, the protagonist goes up to the moon and meets the moon men - they're all men, and the king offers his son to wed the (male) protagonist. What's more...

On one part of the moon babies are born from men’s swollen calves, delivered dead but brought to life “by putting it in the wind with its mouth open”. A people known as the Arboreals have a different method: a man’s right genital gland is cut off, planted, and from it “grows a very large tree of flesh, resembling the emblem of Priapus”, and from its fruit of huge acorns men are ‘shelled’.

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