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Israel’s Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians ( theintercept.com )

The Israeli government rapidly deployed a multipronged propaganda strategy to win unprecedented support from the U.S. and other Western governments for a sweeping war against the entire population of Gaza. To oppose Israel’s war is antisemitic; to question its assertions about the events of October 7 is akin to Holocaust...

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From the earliest moments following the October 7 attacks, Israel charged that women had been raped by Hamas fighters,

To date, there has been no credible evidence presented publicly that such a campaign took place

it's Joever my Zionist lemmings. You can't use the "that's Russian propaganda" defense anymore.

Israel’s Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians ( theintercept.com )

The Israeli government rapidly deployed a multipronged propaganda strategy to win unprecedented support from the U.S. and other Western governments for a sweeping war against the entire population of Gaza. To oppose Israel’s war is antisemitic; to question its assertions about the events of October 7 is akin to Holocaust...

Israel’s Ruthless Propaganda Campaign to Dehumanize Palestinians ( theintercept.com )

The Israeli government rapidly deployed a multipronged propaganda strategy to win unprecedented support from the U.S. and other Western governments for a sweeping war against the entire population of Gaza. To oppose Israel’s war is antisemitic; to question its assertions about the events of October 7 is akin to Holocaust...

Hamas proposes 135-day Gaza truce with complete Israeli withdrawal ( www.reuters.com )

Hamas has proposed a ceasefire plan that would quiet the guns in Gaza for four-and-a-half months, during which all hostages would go free, Israel would withdraw its troops from the Gaza Strip and an agreement would be reached on an end to the war....

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Factual bias correction:

Militants would exchange remaining Israeli hostages captured on Oct. 7 for Palestinian prisoners and hostages.

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    A very important fact here is that Jeffrey Gettleman won a Pullitzer prize for Journalism and

    The Pulitzer Prize is an award administered by Columbia University for achievements in newspaper, magazine, online journalism, literature, and musical composition in the United States.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    Why exactly is that relevent their well sourced factual reporting using the IDF's own released evidence to debunk NYT's claims?

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    I doubt that you have actually read their original article because it very clearly shows that the NYT sources were lying about facts such as bodies which were not found at certain kibbutzes, and bodies found in different states such as completely burned beyond recognition contrary to NYT article claiming there was visible sperm present on their bodies

    But in case you want more sources:

    The Intercept

    MondoWeiss

    Linkerbaan OP , (edited )
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    The Intercept focusses on the internal drama within NYT because there is no evidence presented in their article and the witnesses used as evidence have contradicting stories

    Internal critics worry that the article is another “Caliphate”-level journalistic debacle. “There seems to be no self-awareness at the top,” said one frustrated Times editorial staffer. “The story deserved more fact-checking and much more reporting. All basic standards applied to countless other stories.”

    Mondoweiss initial claims proved that there was zero evidence from the "key witness" in the NYT article. After that Gettleman contacted the family to pressure and gaslight them into changing their statement in an "update" to his NYT article which was supposed to debunk critics but did not offer any evidence whatsoever and was just another fanfic rant

    The Grayzone's article is still by far the most factual and comprehensive. It directly uses IDF evidence to disprove NYT's claims and reveals that multiple of the "key witnesses" used in Gettleman's article work for ZAKA ( which made up the 40 beheaded babies and babies in ovens) and for the IDF.

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    NYT is an israeli asset, yet I'm not bringing that up all day. Blumenthal is always credited for being a very factual reporter albeit one-sided.

    Blumenthal has been vocal against israel for over 15 years.

    Trying to discredit factual reporting which uses evidence provided by the IDF to debunk NYT, while simulateously pretending that NYT is providing factual reporting which relies on debunked witness testimonies is insanity.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    The Grayzone produces in-depth journalism from a far-left perspective such as this The US is turning oil-rich Nigeria into a proxy for its Africa wars.

    All stories reviewed were properly sourced from mostly credible media and information sources

    MBFC disagrees with you but looking past the funny colored bar proves very difficult for avarage "news" readers here.

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    No we both just pick and choose what we want so you can dodge reading the article which is full of evidence because you really want Hamas to believe Hamas raped someone even though there is literally 0 evidence for it.

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    Yeah right after israel said they were going to bomb the hospital and roof knocked it twice. No indication to believe that it wasn't israel whatsoever at that point...

    In the fog of war back then the assumption that israel bombed it was perfectly reasonable. It was likely not true in hindsight, but not a completely made up accusation such as these "mass rapes", 40 beheaded babies, babies in ovens etc. Which were just obvious lies.

    Also surely israel wouldn't actually bomb a hospital right? All hospitals in Gaza are still standing.

    You seem to be unable to differentiate uncertain information from straight up lies and propaganda.

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    NYT literally has Zionist writers writing articles for them, and has rewritten narratives articles based on israeli "feedback".

    Calling them a Zionist outlet is not an exaggeration whatsoever.

    Here's a fun article from last weekend

    https://www.commondreams.org/news/outrage-over-bigotry-islamophobia-in-wall-street-journal-new-york-times

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    Which part of "NYT writes their articles according to guidelines from the IDF" makes them different from RT?

    Recently NYT was the first to write a fake headline about israel publishing evidence for accusations against UNRWA. This was factually untrue. Every time israel needs to push a narrative they contact their good friends over at New York Crimes.

    NYT is the biggest Zionist propaganda mouthpiece in the west. The entire article about the mass rapes is fake and applied no journalistic standards whatsoever as people within the New York Times have admitted themselves.

    It's crazy to me that people are pointing to Chinese and Russian news and saying "how do people believe these nonsense outlets without evidence" while simultaneously reading a story from New York Times which has zero evidence for any of their extreme claims and go "yeah this seems very factual!"

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    You are accusing Hamas of something there is zero evidence for.

    If you want to look credible consider not ad-hoc repeating IDF propaganda because you look like a Zionist troll.

    I am not defending Hamas, you are defending israel.

    The hypocrisy of people defending these rape claims is truly astounding.

    Israel tells families of 31 hostages their relatives are dead as Hamas mulls truce deal ( www.theguardian.com )

    Israel has said it has informed the families of 31 people held in the territory since 7 October that their relatives are dead. The news came as the Qatari prime minister said Hamas had given a “generally positive” response to proposals for a deal trading a break in the fighting and release of Palestinian prisoners for the...

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    UNRWA chief says Israel has not yet presented evidence on its accusations

    The UN agency Unrwa’s commissioner general, Philippe Lazzarini, has told the Financial Times that Israel has yet to present any evidence to it over its accusations that around a dozen Unrwa staff had been involved in the 7 October attacks against Israel.

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    If there's evidence why can't we see it :)

    Linkerbaan ,
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    Their family was in the car surrounded by IDF tanks and soldiers. Her 15 year old sister was on the line with Palestinian Red Cross when the IDF sprayed them down with bullets.

    For anyone that wants some NSFL: there's the audio recording of them killed by the IDF here

    Everyone in the car except 6 year old Hind got killed by the IDF. She remained alive trapped in the car, with the dead bodies of her family members for multiple hours. Then Palestinian Red Cross lost contact.

    Palestinian Red Cross also sent an ambulance to the car's location to rescue Hind but, they lost contact with their ambulance after it came close to the car.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    Your supposed narrative of the entire middle east throwing gays off buildings ISIS style for centuries is not representative of reality.

    Ask Iran how much Western coups helped them go from their 1953 Democracy to the liberal secular state it is now

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    And where the fuck did I say that?

    I'm sorry your comment totally didn't 100% imply that. Good that you corrected me there with plausible deniability.

    What the fuck does that have to do with the pre-European Middle East criminalizing homosexuality?

    Iran was becoming more secularized and "Western" until their government was overthrown in 1953 and AGAIN in 1979 for not giving free oil to Britain and America.

    LGBT stuff in the West was stigmatized until like 20 years ago and you're out here criticizing governments from 70 years ago for not being progressive enough.

    1950's was when America was just getting rid of their Jim Crow apartheids laws.

    Your argument is just presentism

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    My argument… disputing that homophobia and homophobic laws in the Middle East originated from European influence… is presentism.

    You're saying that the new laws under British colonialism are not relevant. From the article:

    When the British claimed “Mandate Palestine” in 1920, they passed sweeping anti-gay legislation that still governs homosexual relationships in Gaza today. Throughout history, in the name of bringing civilization to Middle Eastern communities, colonialists have criminalized queerness and facilitated queer oppression.

    If you look up Iran before 1950 the capital was starting to Westernize. You're implying that the West had amazing gay rights during the 1950's while America didn't even have Gay Marriage until 2004.

    And after America coup'd Iran's regime with operation Ajax, Iran becomes super progressive... And then in 1979 America overthrew Iran again (probably for still being too regressive on gay rights) and installed Ayatollah Khomeini. Another massive success for gay rights under American imperialism!

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    Oh my bad I thought your argument was supposed to be relevant to anything ever.

    Linkerbaan OP ,
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    You are taking crazy pills

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    I've changed the "&" sign in the title to "and" because formatting somehow changes the "&" to "& amp;". Possible bug there.

    Unrwa chief says Israel has not yet presented evidence on its accusations ( www.middleeasteye.net )

    The UN agency Unrwa’s commissioner general, Philippe Lazzarini, has told the Financial Times that Israel has yet to present any evidence to it over its accusations that around a dozen Unrwa staff had been involved in the 7 October attacks against Israel....

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    They've supposedly shown the evidence to NYT and Sky News already which published headline articles with it.

    The Financial Times was now also allowed to see it but they weren't quite sure where the actual evidence was which is very telling.

    Initially it seemed perfectly possible for 4/13.000 people to be involved in the attack. But I thought israel already showed UNRWA the evidence. The current scenario of israeli "evidence" not begin delivered is getting eerily familiar.

    A reminder that a month before the accusations an israeli politician was openly calling for the destruction of UNRWA on video

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    First of all the Sky news claim is still true you conveniently ignored it.

    > Sky News has been shown Israeli documents which make a string of allegations against the UN agency, including claims it is "assisting Hamas with securing humanitarian aid that is transferred to the Gaza Strip".

    For Noga I am unsure of her personal past, the articlese indicate she was a former foreign government employee. That speech however was made in front of the Knessset along with several others that tried to convincec israel to attack UNRWA

    The headline of the article you linked indicates that NYT was presented evidence from their headline.

    Israeli officials have presented evidence they say ties workers at a Palestinian aid agency in Gaza to violence during the Hamas-led attack on Israel.

    You are correct it's mentioned further down in the paywalled article in a part that is not readable without subscription. So NYT is writing spectacular headlines about presented "evidence" which has not been presented. I thought that the leaked dossier was about the evidence? Maybe I'm not reading that correctly then

    This is bad framing of a narrative with plausible deniability. You can score brownie points there if you want so you get 1/3. Good try though.

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    For Noga you can be right that she is a lobbyst not a politician I will change that. As she was speaking in the Knesset I assumed she was a politician but she is a lobbyist.

    Sky News has seen Israeli intelligence documents that Israel claims are evidence

    That's like saying "Sky News has seen evidence but they didn't confirm the evidence was true!" you're going real hard on semantics here.

    Let's say you even get Sky News just for good faith. Wow that's 3/3 corrections my narrative is completely changed!

    So let's see how the story changed after all these amazingly important factual corrections:

    • ~ One month ago multiple lobbyists went in front of the israeli Parliament to convince israel to destroy UNRWA,

    • ~ 25 days later israel declared UNRWA terrorists and launched a massive Hasbara compaign against them directly after the ICJ ruling

    • NYT and Sky News publish sensationalist nothing-burgers on it with clickbait headlines.

    • No public evidence has been provided anywhere for israel's accusations

    Boy that nararative really changed I'm totally not convinced that this was a planned smear campaign to destroy UNRWA anymore!

    Linkerbaan ,
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    They are war crimes but they are very clearly not genocide.

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    No it was pretty clear that they were not trying eradicate everyone. You don't get 33% military kills when you're going for genocide.

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    Are you still on the 1400 deaths train? That was debunked long ago dude

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231215-israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths

    The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.

    IDF combat helicopter targeting Hamas fighters at Nova festival massacre shot some partygoers by mistake, says Haaretz
    And let's not forget many at the festival were killed by the IDF helicopter of course.

    And the IDF shot tanks at the kibbutzes,

    And the IDF helicopters shot hellfire missles at the kibbutzes.

    The real civilian casualty count from just Hamas likeylies at 1/2 or lower.

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    Israel’s current civilian casualty ratio is between 20%-38%.

    Israel is killing 70% women and children. How the hell are you even going to 38%? Even 20% is an absurd claim. It's likely around 95-98%.

    I already explained the rest multiple times I don't have time for repeated IDF trolling.

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    I suggested for Israel suggests 80%-62% of Israel’s genocidal campaign are civilian deaths. I can see how you’d get the other interpretation.

    70% of Palestinians killed are owmen and children.

    62% civilian deaths for israel means that you're saying 100% of Palestinian men are Hamas and 8% of Palestinian women and children are Hamas. Either I'm still not understanding your claim or it's a very stupid claim.

    Explained is a cute word for ‘dismissed because targeting civilians hurts the hero-worship for Hamas you’re cultivating’

    The IDF has already admitted there's no babies in ovens, no pregnant women with bellies cut open, and many news outlets are throwing the rape stories out of the window because of credibility issues.

    You want Hamas to be some evil monster org. They did some bad stuff sure but you're comparing them to actual genocidal maniacs like the Nazis or israel.

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    Living is more unaffordable than ever. What even is your comment

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    Lemmy: China is spreading propaganda about their failing economy booming in their news!

    Lemmy: The American economy is booming! I read it in our news!

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    Well yeah all those stats look great but the problem is that inflated housing just undoes them.

    China is coincidentally also facing their economic issues from their massively inflated housing market with Evergrande (again?) collapsing

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    Democrats aren't going to fix shit lol they're just going to bail out the banks again after the economy collapses like Obama did in 2008.

    And then pepper spray the protestors on Wall Street

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e730f112-e303-4bc0-afb8-a4107ac40b05.png

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    Them protesting against the direction of Obama bailing out the big banks?

    Seems kinda relevant.

    One side is objectively worse but you don't have to spread the fairy tale that Democrats are going to ever fix anything. They are just slightly less worse.

    There's also NYPD cops pepperspraying the protestors if you like that one more but the picture doesn't look as funny:

    New York City settles Occupy Wall Street pepper spray lawsuit for $50,001

    Protester Kelly Schomburg filed suit after NYPD officer Anthony Bologna pepper-sprayed a group of protesters in 2011, when Schomburg was 18 years old

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    Well both those types of articles are getting upvoted to the front page so I'm assuming there is overlap?

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    Both of them bailed out the banks. This is a both sides thing.

    President-elect Barack Obama has teamed up with President George W. Bush for what could be the last major action of this presidency.

    01/12/2009 11:39 AM EST

    At Obama’s request, Bush has agreed to ask Congress for the second $350 billion of the $700 billion financial bailout.

    Also Obama was the guy dictatoring against Occupy Wall Street.

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